>> ... scheint es niemanden so richtig zu interessieren?

glaub nicht dass es des-interesse ist, eher frustration.

gruesse     - heinz -

Danke für die Rückmeldung

Da das sonstige Feedback eher ausbleibt, scheint es niemanden so richtig zu interessieren?

rince, 90% der stillen besitzer sind technisch nicht interessiert, deshalb
kommt aus der ecke zwar enttaeuschung, aber keine aktive hilfe oder
mitarbeit.

vergleichs mal mit nem auto, und wieviele eines fahren. dann frag wer
mehr kann oder macht als tanken. reifenwechsel? oel und filterwechsel?

??? % ???

aber sobald das ding nur noch 172 anstelle von versprochenen 176 faehrt
geht da gezetere los.

ARD/ZDF nachrichten, zumindest da hast du glueck, schau mal unter
VODCASTS, da gibt es einiges, und laesst sich auch auf die FAVs legen.

und nun schaun mer mal wer auf deine ideen, und wie, eingeht. und wie sich
das finanziell machen lies.

gruesse    - heinz -

Hi,

ich stehe ja gerade vor einem ähnlichen Problem
Und dabei hatte ich mich gerade gefreut, dass die Tagesschau endlich im Schlafzimmer verfügbar ist

Um es kurz zusammen zu fassen:
InternetTV können wir knicken, weil die Rundfunkbetreiber alles daran setzen, Kontrolle darüber zu erhalten, wer ihre Streams auf welchem Erdteil mit welcher Software gerade sieht.

Vorschlag:
Wäre eine denkbare Lösung, auf LiveTV umzusteigen? Mit einem RasPi der an ner Schüssel / DVBt hängt ?

Klar, das Ding muss dann durchlaufen. Aber es könnte den Stream zur Verfügung stellen im LAN.


Und letztlich dann auch über VPN im afrikanischen Busch, solange man dort genügend Bandbreite hat
(Gut, ich hab eh nur ein 3,5" Display mit 320x200 Punkten, da kann man auch mit nur 1MBit Upload streamen )


Wäre das ein Ansatz?

ne, beim besten willen, zzt nicht. wenn ich weiterschreiben wuerde, ware das
nicht objektiv, denn es kaeme zusehr meine enttaeuschung und frustration durch.

autos? keine autos? mit 'im hintergrund' meinte ich halt das EXPLORER MAG,
und da sind halt auch 'meine' autos ...

schade dass man hier zur auflockerung nicht mal paar fotos beifuegen kann. als
simples attachment.

gruesse     - heinz -

(Last Edited by heinz57g on June 24, 2013, 8:13 am)

Quote:

doch noch was: den zitierten artikel (EXPLORERMAGAZIN) darf ich nicht meiner frau zeigen - sonst glaubt sie ich haette den geschrieben,

Niemand hätte was dagegen gehabt, wenn du diesen Artikel geschrieben hättest! Wie wäre es mit einer Fortsetzung? Dann kannst du beide deiner Frau zeigen ...

soviel stimmt da (inkl der autos im hintergrund)

Autos?? Ich habe den zwar geschrieben, aber konnte keine finden!

Gruß Jürgen

doch noch was: den zitierten artikel (EXPLORERMAGAZIN) darf ich nicht meiner
frau zeigen - sonst glaubt sie ich haette den geschrieben, soviel stimmt da (inkl der
autos im hintergrund) mit ueberein. aber auch dieser artikel hoert hoeflichweise im
fruehjahr 2013 auf - als auch bei LL eins nach dem anderen aufgibt.

gruesse     - heinz -

hoppla, und entschuldigung - ich hab das deutsch <> englisch gar nicht
gemerkt. muss mich entschuldigen - aber sei froh, wenn ich wuetend
werde schalt ich auf englisch um, kommt vom buero ...

recht hast du, wir sind nicht die einzigen. nur die meisten halten ihre klappe
und schmeissen's einfach weg - ist heutzutage modern. naechster bitte ...
oder wissen garnicht wo sie fragen sollten - ALDI ist da nicht der ideale
ansprechpartner.

   >> es ist in der Tat eine echt blöde Situation

siehts du, so hoeflich kann ichs garnicht sagen.

   >> Hast du dir übrigens schon mal die Vodcasts angesehen

ja, absolut prima, speziell fuer mich. aber was ist mit der oma die ihre serien

sehen will, oder dem geraet dass ich einer jungen dame zum geschenk gemacht

hatte? podcasts? vodcasts? bitte was? fernseh' gucken will ich! talkshows, quiz!

(( verflixt, warum schaltet das forum hier wieder auf doppelten zeilenabstand? ))

   >> auch an meinem 4,3 Zoll Albrecht Modell am Nachttisch sehr viel vom TV
   >> verzerrt - da passen leider auch die Bildformate oft nicht

aber auch das hat william schon gut hingekriegt, und er arbeitet noch an einem
manuellem FORMAT button, so viel ich weiss. und die neuen 7'' geraete helfen
da ja auch.

aber auch da sind wir schon wieder zurueck beim thema: was mache ich mit dem
FORMAT knopf wenn ich gar kein program kriege?

es ist zum ...

gruesse      - heinz -

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(Last Edited by heinz57g on June 28, 2013, 7:11 pm)

[quote]forget TV, switch to radio?[/quote]

Hallo Heinz (entschuldige, dass ich in der "Deutsch-Rubrik" wieder zu Deutsch zurückkehre),

du bist durchaus nicht der einzige, der da auf "deiner" Seite steht. Entsprechendes wurde auch schon im Artikel http://www.explorermagazin.de/diverse/skytc13.htm erwähnt und es ist in der Tat eine echt blöde Situation.

Hast du dir übrigens schon mal die Vodcasts angesehen, die William so hervorragend erganzt hat und wo alles mögliche bis zum Heute-Journal enthalten ist? Ich habe für meinen Teil festgestellt, dass ich bei einem "Bett-Fernseher" eigentlich kaum mehr brauche. Anderes Programm eher am richtigen TV und leider ist auch an meinem 4,3 Zoll Albrecht Modell am Nachttisch sehr viel vom TV verzerrt - da passen leider auch die Bildformate oft nicht.

 

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  >> Don't despair!

henk, glad to know we have one more person on our side - most
of the others have given up in disillusion.

i just two weeks ago got an ARNOVA back that i had given
somebody for her birthday. long face ... what do it tell her?

forget TV, switch to radio?

greetings       - heinz -

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@heinz57g   @penbex

Nederland 1 (live*), Nederland 2 (live*), Nederland 3 (live*)
This Dutch stations can be viewed over the internet in the Netherlands. By a geo-block not abroad. There is then an image shown with the text denied access.
Only "journaal24" can be viewed outside the Netherlands.
Currently it is not always possible to view the streams of nederland 1, 2, 3 via LL, because these links by the servers of "NPO" be turned into a stream for mobile devices
As I've previously noted: The TV channels now are only online or via apps to follow.
[example: ned. 1: stream = mmsh://213.75.58.41/npo_ned1-nl-public/npo/ned1-nl = 7a4c7eb8476ba5d26683bac71dd9c434 & md5 mmsh: & t =? 51c1da37 = & MSWMExt. asf] = (VLC-mediaplayer)

See http://www.listenlive.nl/board/message.php?id=4207 for a list of all stations in the Netherlands from "NPO" http://www.npo.nl/

We will be monitoring for a solution!

Don't despair!

 

Gr. Henk

 

Probably just no server..
The not available in your country alike messages are usually things they add on the browser side of things.
I have the same problem with some (mainly UK) radio streams that are not available outside the origin country.
Trying the stream either takes forever or returns as if the stream does not exist.

anybody any idea if there should be some default screen (This Station Is Not available Outside The NL ... or similar) or if it just says NO SERVER?

greetings     - heinz -

They are geo coded.. no idea which ones are completely free..

question: your dutch stations NL1/2/3 have a '(live*)' remark next to them, what does the * stand for? are they by any chance geo-coded? i can not receive any of them - but have not yet tried to change my location.

are there any well working and non geo-coded dutch stations just to try?

greetings     - heinz -

william, thanks.

  >> I am sure things will get better..

overall, i think so too. i am just afraid owners of OUR little devices will lose patience long before.

  >> In NL we now have the major TV channels available

then i misread henks update only 3 days ago, where i read that many of them were gone too. so will read more carefully again - need to improve my dutch anyhow.
(( HOPPLA: not fair! just saw you corrected it, and him! so why dont you correct ME TOO? ))

  >> need login to use the streams so that means I have to do some digging on that as well

happy digging.

  >> German operators are using such a narrow minded method to provide the live streams

NOW we were talking! thats where 90% of my anger comes from. not the machines, certainly not LL, but them a.....s.   and from the hotlines, it seems it is not even on purpose, but simple stupidity and narrowmindedness on a technical and managerial level.

  >> in the end they I am sure they will adapt..

overall, i think so too. i am just afraid owners of OUR little devices will lose patience long before. havent i said this before? but you must have noticed that many of the german regular readers and commentators here in the forum have kind of vanished ... and that is NOT because they are all watching ROTE ROSEN!

  >> Center.tv dusseldorf works ... So is Kika..

funny! i am really in the mood of joking.

  >> Baden TV - BLK BurgenLandKreis - BW Family - Elbe Kanal - LT TV

funny! i am really in the mood of joking. again, have i said this before? are you aware what stations these are? where is ARD / ZDF / NRW / SWR / WDR and and and?

many greetings - going swimming now ... cools me down - heinz
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Quote:

william, thanks for this very detailed answer. but, somehow in the background, i feel you are as frustrated as i (and many others here) am.

Not really.. I am sure things will get better..
In NL we now have the major TV channels available.
The nation wide public channels use clean wmv streams that work fluently.

Besides that we also had up till a while ago live streams that were available via your cable or dsl subscription.
Since you need to have some kind of Internet connection you can use those streams as well.
They made some changes to those and now need to login to use the streams so that means I have to do some digging on that as well.

Why the German operators are using such a narrow minded method to provide the live streams, at least to people within Germany.. beats me.
However, in the end they I am sure they will adapt.. its either that or loose from new media solutions.

Quote:

do you know ANY german TV station but DW?

Center.tv dusseldorf works
So is Kika..

Just added: (working at least on the 7 inch -might need to press page+/pageup when the screen stays dark- .. need to check on 3.5 inch)
Baden TV
BLK BurgenLandKreis
BW Family
Elbe Kanal
LT TV
..  

Quote:

>> Regarding helping: you could provide URL's to streams i did, and till the spring added some to the database. they worked then. and i still do try, and tested various, but thats where the frustration sets in: none of them works on our units. not anymore, and no new ones.

I did not mean supply workign url's to the database but post here streams that work on other devices.
I can then check what I can do to make them work.
here is a nice starting point.. I pulled some url's from it..

~w

(Last Edited by penbex on June 18, 2013, 12:38 pm)

william, thanks for this very detailed answer. but, somehow in the background,
i feel you are as frustrated as i (and many others here) am.

  >> that the white you describe is not that white

too true. i was using selected examples, but i was PUSHING the matter that it had
nothing to do with geo-caching or location filtering.

  >> ARD ... They are aware that their stream has issues

all of them are aware. talking to their hotlines, IF you get a competent technician at all,
only gets 'ah, ehm, but, should be, aaaah, sorry ...''.

what i totally dont understand: why do all of them, ven those who are not connect with
the same parent, fall into the same trap within months of each other? we had a beautifully
working little machine only 6+ months ago.

so why change something ''to the better'' if it worked for years without major problems?

 >> when you imply that 99.9% of the German TV streams fails on our devices and
 >> work on everything else then I have to disagree with you

well, i disagree with myself too. not on the first part, the 99% is true. but on the second,
yes you are right, many older android versions also will not do.

 >> some Android and iOS apps that come from the operator/broadcaster include
 >> their own players or browser plugins

thats the trick: control over who and what and why - the market rule.
 
 >> Does that make these devices useless? no, I think not. Eventhough 3.5 inch is
 >> fairly small for watching TV

which TV, please? should it not be that the TV tells me what to watch, but that the
user chooses what to watch? do you know ANY german TV station but DW?

 >> It still beats in various ways other devices that cost many times that price of ours

it used to, for sure. but for now, i am not to far way from that 'glorified alarm clock'.
or does a 'pretty paperweight' sound better? i sure wish somebody could tell me i am
wrong.

 >> Regarding helping: you could provide URL's to streams

i did, and till the spring added some to the database. they worked then. and i still do
try, and tested various, but thats where the frustration sets in: none of them works
on our units. not anymore, and no new ones.

greetings       - heinz -

PS: both rtsp://daserste.edges.wowza.gl-systemhaus.de/live/mp4:daserste_int_320 and
... int_1600 work fine in VLC.





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With too black and white I did not mean things are not black.. but that the white you describe is not that white.
Perhaps read http://www.deesaster.org/blog/index.php?/archives/2057 where even a reaction from ARD is listed.
They are aware that their stream has issues and can not be played on some Linux systems. (Remember we are using Linux as well)
So.. when you imply that 99.9% of the German TV streams fails on our devices and work on everything else then I have to disagree with you.
There are also plenty of Android devices that can not do flash, that are too slow or on Android 1.x 2.x etc. and that have similar issues as we do.
I too have very little problems with a recent iPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab2.. But those are also not the cheapest devices out there.

They also talk about workarounds. Now I could add a workaround for one channel but that then does not work on the next channel.
Also, adding a workaround will only lead to more problems and loads of posts claiming there are bugs.
To give you an example, I added support for RTMP streams into mplayer many moons ago. This works on some channels but on most it does not.
So some streams will play and some wont.. The problem leading back to some versions of Wowza media server not giving a compatible stream type.

One alternative solution is to use rtmpdump in combination with mplayer. That way I can get some other streams working. But again also many streams failing.
I even got some streams working that need flash. But apparantly the required flash version is causing trouble (as also on the above listed link is mentioned)

Also, some Android and iOS apps that come from the operator/broadcaster include their own players or browser plugins.
It must be very convenient when you can distribute an app easily via a market and do not worry about memory size etc.
However, looking at the 3.5 inch devices where we have 512 mb for Linux + apps and 64 mb of ram we can not include for each channel a different app that comes with its own player and each app eating up 10 megabytes or so..
Does that make these devices useless? no, I think not. Eventhough 3.5 inch is fairly small for watching TV and there are limitations to what we can do.. It still beats in various ways other devices that cost many times that price of ours.

Regarding helping: you could provide URL's to streams. More is in this case better so we can try various ways to get this working.
For example ARD: rtsp://daserste.edges.wowza.gl-systemhaus.de/live/mp4:daserste_int_320
This url gives rtsp_session: unsupported RTSP server. Server type is 'Wowza Media Server 3.5.1 build3709'.

Best chances are at the moment with rtmp. I am also working on a solution with .m3u8 streams..

Edit:
Even with XBMC there are large issues getting German streams working. http://www.xbmcnerds.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=23202
Perhaps you should compain at the broadcaster.. They might change things when they get enough complaints

(Last Edited by penbex on June 18, 2013, 7:44 am)

 >> Personally I think you are drawing things a bit too black and white

but william, i was not giving an opinion, but a purely technical fact: from some 12-15
german stations available worldwide (!) only ONE is left. this is not even black and
white only, this is pure black.

the geographical limitations are according to the stations on certain movies/sports/shows
only where they dont own the right, not on the rest of their program. so they claim.

remember, we are talking about the WWW - WorldWideWeb. and if these id...s try to limit
this to their little world, it is upon us, as it has been for years, to overcome this.

 >> You could of course also participate in a solution

you know i did when i could, and i would still do so if you tell me where to start. you also
know that 90% of my time i am some 2000km away.

 >> ... nearly impossible to test German TV channels due to geographic blackouts

then why do they work without that limitation on tablets and phones, WIN8 and android,
and also on normal computers, laptops, without artificially created local IP? in april
you, william, wrote '' ... There is a link for Android and iOS ... I need to check what
we can do with that ... '' - so what happened on that one?

like many others, we bought these things (and i gave them away as presents) in order
to watch worldwide foreign and local TV stations - so where is that? to listen to a
radio station, i could simply use an internet dongle, i do not need a 3.5'' or 7'' colour
screen for that.

sorry, william, you can tell i am angry (CERTAINLY not at YOU!). but tell me, where
do we start to overcome this?

greetings      - heinz -

PS: i just had it checked. not sure if the lady did the right thing, but according to her
NONE of those stations play even INSIDE germany since about 1-3 months, one after
the other switched to other coding or whatever, but vanished. and if it was geo-coding,
one would at least get a notification on screen telling you that, in most cases.




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Quote:

henk, just checked: and the sad result is that of some 15 major stations last year only a single one, DEUTSCHE WELLE TV, is left! and thats for D only, but as you say, other countries have the same issue. and you are right: they do play on the computer, and more importantly, they do play on every tablet and mobile phone, android and whatever, so there MUST be a solution somewhere. hope i made my point.

Personally I think you are drawing things a bit too black and white. You could of course also participate in a solution.
For Henk and myself as well, it is nearly impossible to test German TV channels due to geographic blackouts.

henk, just checked: and the sad result is that of some 15 major stations last year only a single one, DEUTSCHE WELLE TV, is left! and thats for D only, but as you say, other countries have the same issue.

and you are right: they do play on the computer, and more importantly, they do play on every tablet and mobile phone, android and whatever, so there MUST be a solution somewhere.

i have (incl family and friends) now some 11 units, incl the new 7'' ones - so the idea of a paperweight is not a funny one. and i am NOT talking of money here, but investing ''blood'' into something that was a great idea, with incredible potential.

and as much as i appreciate (love?) williams enthusiasm about firmware, as much do i understand his limitations.

fixing and adding, adding and fixing is one thing. and it takes time, time, and time again.

Device buttons - HDMI 720p output - long press to power off - UTF16 metadata tags - recording - browsing podcasts selection bar -  TuneIn and Live365 account details - Alarm: number of snooze repeats - up/down on the remote -  Line-in app up/down now also volume - Apps that need a network connection - minor cosmetic change to the analog clock - poweron with auto play of  FM - screen would sometimes go dark - SamLivecast video codec -  blubrry and some other apps, video codec crashed - additional network remote commands - left/right will increase/decrease an audio delay - repeat button can toggle between stereo and mono - Cyrillic UTF8 issue - podcast played from MyFavorites not recognized - images/cover art on podcast - Mute would in some cases conflict with the alarm - QingTing app - Anyradio app - Improved gzip internet traffic - Podcast app did not play embedded asx - Favorites app - Support for metadata APE  and FLAC files - ...

shall i go on? the list is most impressive, if not unbelievable. and it goes on and on. above is barely 1/4th.

but what do i do with a beautiful newly designed analog alarmclock that wakes me up to an empty screen if i need a german (or dutch, or british ...) TV station?

hope i made my point.

greetings      - heinz -
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@heinz57g

slowly it is beginning to look as if we german users might as well throw away our units: more and more TV stations go missing - soon there will be none left. usually it is just a change of systems (flash, but with mobile versions also in the background), but the normal user simply would not know what to do.

first it was ARD and ZDF, then WDR, now since a few days also all NDR stations are gone.

our little machines might have the latest firmware, but what do we do without TV stations to watch?

william simply does not have the time to follow up (see: - http://www.listenlive.nl/board/message.php?id=3683 ), and i fully understand this. so my request goes to henk, harry, and the many others who use(d) those german TV stations: do you not know anybody who is knowledable enough to follow this up, find out which stations can still be adapted somehow and under which name, and so on.

we need to do something. the units gave us so much pleasure, it would be a pity to use them as an expensive paperweight only.

greetings     - heinz -
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(Last Edited by heinz57g on June 14, 2013, 9:46 pm)

kevin, i meant  'moderate'  in the sense of  'control', sorry.

and, please stop worrying about your language skills, you are fine with us here.
just read the texts a bit more slowly, then you will see what we are talking about,
and also how we responded to you.

for example, see the note of henk, referring to several of the posts before:

 >> These are radio-streams; where we looking for are TV-streams

and henk, yes, that is a good example of the NDR (which i added last year, lets
see how long it lasts) - and we need to find such streams of ARD and WDR
(quite possible for sure) and of ZDF (very difficult if at all).

meantime for those abroad: have a look at the various VODCASTs of these and
similar stations, at least regular news and other clips are there.

greetings     - heinz -

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@kevinLo:

WDR 2 (mp3) 201304: http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/media/wdr2.m3u

WDR 3 (mp3) 201304: http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/media/wdr3.m3u

These are radio-streams; where we looking for are TV-streams.
The problem is the fact that the (radio-TV)-streams, due to broadcasting rights, are not always available.
Also, streams often "packaged" in a Web site, so that the "bare stream" is not available to a mediaplayer as the ListenLivePlayers.

 

An example of a (new)TV stream is:

NDR Fernsehen - OK APR13:  http://www.ndr.de/resources/metadaten/ndr_fs_nds_hi_wmv.asx is working in the ListenLivePlayers.

This stream:  http://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/livestream/ only works in your browser!

 

So we keep looking for a solution!

 

Gr. Henk

Hello heinz57g

      I moderate the add/submit station/stream every day,unless I am not on internet that day,all the add/submit station/stream if can be played in windows media player or VLC player,I will approve it.I think others moderators will do the same thing,so don't worry no person moderate the add/submit station/stream,try to find out favorite station's stream and add/submit to the listenlive database.because of my poor language skill,sometime it is not easy for me understand what you real want and what is the point, and it is not easy to find another language's station/stream in another language website,of course I think someone maybe can help in their own language,I can help to find Chinese station/stream that in mainland China/Taiwan/HongKong/macao.

      By the way,I can see some WDR stations in listenlive website,such as:

WDR 2 (mp3) 201304

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/media/wdr2.m3u

WDR 3 (mp3) 201304

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/media/wdr3.m3u

but they can not show in device,this problem maybe need Mr. William to solve it.

 

Best regards

kevinLo from China

 - henk, NDR was always working, in several local versions, was never on the 'doubtful' list - only ARD, ZDF and WDR (of the main important ones) were.

 - kevin, input and opinions from ALL parts of the world is most welcome. dont worry about language, proper grammar or spelling - we can and will sort it out.

  >> everyone can add/submit station/stream to listenlive database, then moderator will
  >> approve or reject or edit depend on the add/submit stream is suit or not

not really like this. all full members can add/delete/change the database, the moderator or william does NOT monitor this. you can simply add a station, then test it if it plays or shows, and the add it to your favorites.

 >> and then waiting for moderator to approve or reject or edit will be a easy way

at the moment, there is no waiting, except for a few minutes before the database gets automatically updated. occasinally your own database needs a refresh too, simple.

personally, i agree with you and am not sure if this system is ideal, but for the time being, and out of time and resource restraints, nothing else is possible.

but i am certain William Will Welcome any ideas or suggestions.

greetings      - heinz -



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Dear all

     I'm a Chinese,sorry for my poor language skill,it look like you want to add some stations into listenlive database,As I know everyone can add/submit station/stream to listenlive database,then moderator will approve or reject or edit depend on the add/submit stream is suit or not.I think sometime is not easy for someone to find/add/submit another language's station/stream to database.so try to find station's stream and add/submit to listenlive database by self and then waitting for moderator to approve or reject or edit will be a easy way.

 

Best regards

kevinLo from China

OK! I will search of these working streams for ListenLive (if  they are working on LL; now the [ARD, ZDF, etc.] streams only works on the computer)

Only the NDR-streams are working on LL.

Gr. Henk

henk, doublechecked, the live streams of ARD / ZDF / WDR are
geo-blocked, often enough, but but but: they do work often enough
during the day to make these stations valueable. SPORT and MOVIES
are always blocked, their own productions, like talk shows, NOT.

it is not a general blockage!

at the moment (sunday around midday) all three are running outside
germany, for example!

there are also technical systems of getting arount the geo-blocking,
but thats another issue.

greetings     - heinz -

(Last Edited by heinz57g on April 7, 2013, 9:33 am)

henk, your research and info is much appreciated, and certainly useful for some
of us, but for most of the users, they would not understand what it meant
and what to do with it.

we need somebody who actually filters and uses all this info and then adds it to
the LISTEN-still-a-LIVE database, so that normal users can just add them to
their FAVs.

stations that only play in one country might be useful for a few, but for most people
they are pain. in the old (?) days, stations were PROUD when they cossed borders,
as far as ever possible - nowadays it seems exactly the opposite, legal or technical or
copyright reasons, whatever they claim, and this is then called globalization.

greetings      - heinz -

Ist nur im Deutschland zu sehen; ich kan dieser Sender nicht testen (in NL)!

Die ARD, ZDF und WDR, alle als FERNSEHEN station:

http://www.ardmediathek.de/fernsehen

 

Zattoo streamt mehr als 100 Live-TV-Sender über das Internet - darunter jede Menge deutschsprachige Sender.

http://www.chip.de/downloads/Zattoo_24303134.html

 

ZDF live-streams:
nur in DE und auf computer: / just in Germany and on computer: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/live#/hauptnavigation/live

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
andere Möglichkeiten /  other possibilities

peer to peer: (Portals: TV Streams and live-streams radio)

https://sites.google.com/site/dubext/posts/peer-streamchannelsdirectlinks

tv streams, tv guides, series, movies - http://go.s3bx.de/tvtv veröffentlicht um 11.08.2012 09:13 von Horst Olaf  [ aktualisiert: 21.02.2013 20:47]    

Live Streams: German TV Channels

ARD

• http://live.daserste.de/de/index.html#programm
• http://www.daserste.de/
• http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/livestreams/

ZDF, ZDFneo, ZDFkultur

• http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/startseite/#/hauptnavigation/startseite
• http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/startseite?flash=off
• http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/live/1822440/ZDFneo?bc=lve;lv0&flash=off
• http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/live/1822544/ZDFkultur?bc=lve;lv0&flash=off

Live Streams: News Channels

• http://www.n24.de/?startChannel=live
• http://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/livestream/
• http://www.euronews.net/news/streaming-live/
• http://www.france24.com/en/aef_player_popup/france24_player
• http://rt.com/on-air/

Portals: Movies, TV Series

• http://www.movie2k.to/
• http://kinox.to/
  
• http://www.1channel.ch/
  

Portals / Links: TV Streams

• http://watch.squidtv.net/
• http://m.squidtv.net/news.html
• http://www.cine24.tv/
• http://www.stream-search.de/tv/tv.php
• http://freetvall.com/videos

TV Guides: german

• http://www.tvinfo.de/
• http://m.tvtv.de/

 

Gr. Henk            

 

(Last Edited by roodbaard on April 6, 2013, 3:20 pm)

hoppla, are here the TV stations/streams mixed up with the RADIO stations/stream?

what i (including many others here, mainly my wife) is looking for are ZDF, ARD
and WDR, all of them as TV - can anybody assist?

william simply does not have the time, so the more we can do, the better.

*******

hoppla, werden hier zum teil FERNSEH stationen/streams mit RADIO stationen/streams
durcheinander gebracht?

an was ich (und viele andere hier, inkl in der hauptsache meine frau) interessiert sind,
sind die ARD, ZDF und WDR, alle als FERNSEH station - kann da jemand helfen?

william hat beim besten willen keine zeit dazu, also je mehr wir tun, umso besser.

gruesse/greetings (specially to china)       - heinz -




(Last Edited by heinz57g on April 5, 2013, 3:20 pm)

Alle 58 radio-streams von Deutschland zu finden auf: / All 58 radio-streams from Germany you can find on: http://www.ardmediathek.de/radio

und / and

NDR: http://www.ndr.de/radio/livestreams101.html

WDR: http://www.wdr.de/radio/home/webradio/streaming_uebersicht/streaming_uebersicht.phtml

Hinweise / indication:

1LIVE (mp3)  gibt/gives

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/media/einslive.m3u

NDR 1 Niedersachsen

http://www.ndr.de/resources/metadaten/audio/m3u/ndr1niedersachsen.m3u   Gr. Henk   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ZDF live-streams: nur in DE und auf computer: / just in Germany and on computer: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/live#/hauptnavigation/live --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andere Möglichkeiten /  other possibilities peer to peer: (Portals: TV Streams and live-streams radio) https://sites.google.com/site/dubext/posts/peer-streamchannelsdirectlinks tv streams, tv guides, series, movies - http://go.s3bx.de/tvtv veröffentlicht um 11.08.2012 09:13 von Horst Olaf  [ aktualisiert: 21.02.2013 20:47]       Gr. Henk

 

(Last Edited by roodbaard on April 3, 2013, 12:31 pm)

and here is another:

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/wdrplayer/fheplayer.html

 

Best regards

kevinLo from China

Dear all

I'm an Chinese,not sure what you are really talk about,just maybe these website can help you something(can get WDR stream) .

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/wdrplayer/wdr2player.html

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/wdrplayer/wdr3player.html

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/wdrplayer/wdr4player.html

http://www.wdr.de/wdrlive/wdrplayer/wdr5player.html

 

Best regards

kevinLo from China

rtsp in general works, but not the wowza ones..

yes, it was me who asked for that one, and also the WDR.

so now we are already three needing these stations more than
some (!) of all these technical goodies - please, william, please!

greetings      - heinz -

Hallo Wiliam,

 

sind diese Streams geeignet?

ARD

# Auflösung Small: 480x272 $ vlc rtsp://daserste.edges.wowza.gl-systemhaus.de/live/mp4:daserste_int_320 # Auflösung Medium: 512x288 $ vlc rtsp://daserste.edges.wowza.gl-systemhaus.de/live/mp4:daserste_int_576 # Auflösung Big: 960x544 $ vlc rtsp://daserste.edges.wowza.gl-systemhaus.de/live/mp4:daserste_int_1600bzw. Url: http://linuxundich.de/de/ubuntu/den-live-stream-der-ard-unter-linux-mit-vlc-oder-mplayer-ansehen/ZDF

ZDF:

• rtsp://3gp-livestreaming1.zdf.de/liveedge2/de10_v1_710.sdp

ZDFneo:

• rtsp://3gp-livestreaming1.zdf.de/liveedge2/de09_v1_710.sdp

zdf.kultur:

• rtsp://3gp-livestreaming1.zdf.de/liveedge2/de07_v1_710.sdp

ZDFinfo:

• rtsp://3gp-livestreaming1.zdf.de/liveedge2/de08_v1_710.sdp

Wenn ja, bitte in Live-TV aufnehmen. Meine Frau wird Dir ewig dankbar sein!!!VG Harry

To start with, someone already tried to add this link. Thats why it is rejected.
The reason you can not see the link is because it is an invalid link.
We need links directly to the video, not to a webpage or other wrapper.  

If you can play the link in Windows Media Player, VLC or MPlayer it should be mostly okay (not in all cases as we have some hardware limitations)

Hallo,

wollte ARD-Livestream (url: http://live.daserste.de/de/index.html#programm) mit add Station/private in myfavorits eingeben.

Bekomme immer Meldung: URL exestiert bereits.

Es gibt aber nur ARDtagesschau24.de in der Live TV-Liste und mit der Suchfunktion bekomme ich auch keinen Treffer bzgl. URL

Weiß jemand Abhilfe?

Harry